.....Yes I looked up the 833 forum and it said that the Hurst is identical...also said the chevy 4 speed is very close to the 833 ,,,Hope all is good with the family,, thanks for the feedback on the post....,,, Hey Norm,,, I took off the intake manifold to clean it up and the thin tray, not trey,, that covers the valley protected the inside of the engine really well,, I'll pull the sparkie plugs out today and douse in some Marval Mystery and diesel oil to lube....I want to see what the bearings look ike,,, the guy said it only had 50.000 miles on it so we will see.........Thanks all.......BNC